From rob_k at arcor.de Thu Jun 5 14:44:01 2008 From: rob_k at arcor.de (Robert Kozlowski) Date: Thu Jun 5 17:48:56 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Changing the Language Message-ID: <4847DF91.6040201@arcor.de> Hello! I downloaded the language pack but don't know whad to do now :S Could anybody tell me how to change it? Many thanks, Robert From laurent at deltalima.net Tue Jun 24 18:45:13 2008 From: laurent at deltalima.net (Laurent Meunier) Date: Tue Jun 24 18:40:02 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Pentax PEF file and constrast Message-ID: <1214325913.4937.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi rawstudio users, I'm trying rawstudio with my Pentax K100D Super and I have one problem: all photos lack of contrast compared to other tools (dcraw and ufraw). I must boost the contrast to something like 1,20 to have a correct result. I did not find a similar bug on bugzilla and I know that other users also use PEF raw files from Pentax. Am I the only one having this issue? Here are 3 examples of the same PEF file opened with different tools and exported to jpeg without any treatment: - rawstudio : http://deltalima.net/tmp/imgp0611_rawstudio.jpg - dcraw : http://deltalima.net/tmp/imgp0611_dcraw.jpg - ufraw : http://deltalima.net/tmp/imgp0611_ufraw.jpg And the original PEF file : http://deltalima.net/tmp/imgp0611.pef Does someone know why all my photos lack of contrast? Thanks. -- Laurent Meunier From rsdundon at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 22:11:37 2008 From: rsdundon at gmail.com (Bob Dundon) Date: Tue Jun 24 22:03:06 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Pentax PEF file and constrast In-Reply-To: <1214325913.4937.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1214325913.4937.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1214338297.13550.34.camel@oakraider> On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 18:45 +0200, Laurent Meunier wrote: [snip] > Does someone know why all my photos lack of contrast? I think it is just matter of setting the black & white points with a curve, then playing with applying an "S" to the curve. I took your Raw file and played with it a bit. I'm far from an expert at this, but here is the result from a quick setting of the end points and a quick S to the curve: After adjusted curve in Rawstudio: http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgp0611pefhd6.jpg Screenie of Rawstudio settings: http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotrawstudiohomeqe5.png What steps I used - 1) Right click on line in Curve window, select to "Auto adjust curve ends"; 2) Left click (and hold) on the curve line at a point, you can then drag that point. The screenshot image gives you an idea of what points I selected to adjust the curve. IMHO, just auto setting the black & white points on the curve makes a better looking image than bumping the contrast to 1,20 in Rawstudio. But that could certainly just be a matter of individual preference. :) I'm sure you or others could do better, but I think the image I adjusted looks better than either the dcraw or ufraw images you posted. The dcraw image I am seeing is too yellow for my taste, the ufraw image too dark. To be fair, you should be able to make the same curve adjustments in ufraw. Hope this is of some help Laurent. Bob -- public key available under rsdundon@gmail.com at http://www.keyserver.net GPG-FP 72F5 56CB 16E5 D357 E6AE 128E 7BF9 6DED 0BE5 5FB0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://rawstudio.org/pipermail/rawstudio-users/attachments/20080624/bc3109e3/attachment.pgp From laurent at deltalima.net Wed Jun 25 20:28:40 2008 From: laurent at deltalima.net (Laurent Meunier) Date: Wed Jun 25 20:20:38 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Pentax PEF file and constrast In-Reply-To: <1214338297.13550.34.camel@oakraider> References: <1214325913.4937.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1214338297.13550.34.camel@oakraider> Message-ID: <1214418520.7007.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 13:11 -0700, Bob Dundon wrote: > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 18:45 +0200, Laurent Meunier wrote: > > [snip] > > > Does someone know why all my photos lack of contrast? > > I think it is just matter of setting the black & white points with a > curve, then playing with applying an "S" to the curve. > > I took your Raw file and played with it a bit. I'm far from an expert at > this, but here is the result from a quick setting of the end points and > a quick S to the curve: > > After adjusted curve in Rawstudio: > > http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgp0611pefhd6.jpg > > Screenie of Rawstudio settings: > > http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotrawstudiohomeqe5.png > > What steps I used - 1) Right click on line in Curve window, select to > "Auto adjust curve ends"; 2) Left click (and hold) on the curve line at > a point, you can then drag that point. The screenshot image gives you an > idea of what points I selected to adjust the curve. > > IMHO, just auto setting the black & white points on the curve makes a > better looking image than bumping the contrast to 1,20 in Rawstudio. But > that could certainly just be a matter of individual preference. :) > > I'm sure you or others could do better, but I think the image I adjusted > looks better than either the dcraw or ufraw images you posted. The dcraw > image I am seeing is too yellow for my taste, the ufraw image too dark. > > To be fair, you should be able to make the same curve adjustments in > ufraw. > > Hope this is of some help Laurent. > > Bob > Hi Bob, Yes, this helps me ! Thanks for trying with the S-curve. I never used this tools before, and I will now try to use it more :) But my problem is not isolated to this photo, I must set the black & white points (or bump contrast) for each photos. Maybe I am doing something wrong with my camera settings. Or maybe it is normal to set the black & white points for each photos. I'm a bit lost, photography is new to me. This is certainly off-topic, but do you know if my camera settings are wrong for this photo? The photo seems under-exposed, could this be the reason of my problem? -- Laurent Meunier From rsdundon at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 23:01:42 2008 From: rsdundon at gmail.com (Bob Dundon) Date: Wed Jun 25 22:53:29 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Pentax PEF file and constrast In-Reply-To: <1214418520.7007.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1214325913.4937.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1214338297.13550.34.camel@oakraider> <1214418520.7007.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1214427702.8023.63.camel@oakraider> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 20:28 +0200, Laurent Meunier wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Yes, this helps me ! Thanks for trying with the S-curve. I never used > this tools before, and I will now try to use it more :) It really is pretty simple to use with some practice. I'm sure there are some tutorials on the web on using curves. Here is one I found from a quick search: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/photoshop-curves.htm It is for Photoshop but the concepts apply to Rawstudio the same. Here is one that explains the about the RAW file format and what post-shooting processing and/or enhancements may be required. http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/RAW-file-format.htm > But my problem is not isolated to this photo, I must set the black & > white points (or bump contrast) for each photos. Maybe I am doing > something wrong with my camera settings. Or maybe it is normal to set > the black & white points for each photos. I'm a bit lost, photography is > new to me. Using RAW I am going to say, yes, adjusting the black/white points (as the articles above noted) may be a necessary processing step. Some RAW tools have an option called AutoLevel that (I think) sets the black/white points automatically. Thus you never see the actual flat-looking image. I would have to look at the Rawstudio Bugzilla to see if a Feature Request for this functionality has been requested. Perhaps it is already on the roadmap(?). > This is certainly off-topic, but do you know if my camera settings are > wrong for this photo? The photo seems under-exposed, could this be the > reason of my problem? No, I do not think you are doing anything particularly wrong. I am continually learning to make better use of the tools these cameras offer. Maybe a different metering setting would have made a better image. But with the image you have, by shooting it in RAW you can adjust the exposure AFTER the image has been shot, without any quality loss. Try moving the 'Exposure' slider up to 0.50 and see how the image changes. This is just how RAW works....it requires post processing of the image, just like to good old days of film if you developed your own film. But so much more flexible. And it is generally faster and smells a whole bunch better. :) Here is a link to a blogger who has some good information on the concept of 'workflow' (and other topics) for digital photography using Linux tools: http://jcornuz.wordpress.com/table-of-contents/ (He happens to be a user of Rawstudio to boot!) Rawstudio is designed (thanks Rawstudio team!) around this very idea. That is why you can set "priorities for images and you see the different tabs in the upper left of the window. You can set an images priority for processing or marked it for deletion from the 'Photo' drop down menu. * = all images Rawstudio can read in the folder 1 = images marked as priority 1 - the best shots (composition, lighting, subject, etc.) 2 = ones not quite as good or compelling as Priority 1 images, require a lot of work, etc. 3 = least good but usable images U = all images Rawstudio can read in the folder that have not had a priority set (Unmarked) D = RAW (generally) images that are not worth saving (Delete) This sorting of RAW images prior to processing really helps move the process along. No sense processing images that are throw aways, right? I shot several hundred images recently with some friends at a party. Going through them I threw away maybe a third to half of the shots...these were snapshots, so I saved way more than I normally would. Threw away obvious bad shots, ones with bad composition, shots that were essentially duplicates, etc. Anyway, read the workflow info at the link above. He does a nice job of discussing and walking you the process he uses. Hope this is of some help Laurent. Bob -- public key available under rsdundon@gmail.com at http://www.keyserver.net GPG-FP 72F5 56CB 16E5 D357 E6AE 128E 7BF9 6DED 0BE5 5FB0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://rawstudio.org/pipermail/rawstudio-users/attachments/20080625/f803ff20/attachment.pgp From anders at kvistmail.dk Thu Jun 26 17:52:30 2008 From: anders at kvistmail.dk (Anders Kvist) Date: Thu Jun 26 17:44:30 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Changing the Language In-Reply-To: <4847DF91.6040201@arcor.de> References: <4847DF91.6040201@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4863BB3E.1040301@kvistmail.dk> Hi Robert Sorry for the long response time. try starting rawstudio from a terminal like this: $ LC_ALL=da_DK.UTF8 rawstudio Except, replace da_DK with the locale you wanna use and have installed. /Anders Robert Kozlowski wrote: > Hello! > > I downloaded the language pack but don't know whad to do now :S > > Could anybody tell me how to change it? > > Many thanks, > > Robert > > > _______________________________________________ > Rawstudio-users mailing list > Rawstudio-users@rawstudio.org > http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-users From laurent at deltalima.net Fri Jun 27 18:32:57 2008 From: laurent at deltalima.net (Laurent Meunier) Date: Fri Jun 27 18:24:51 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Pentax PEF file and constrast In-Reply-To: <1214427702.8023.63.camel@oakraider> References: <1214325913.4937.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1214338297.13550.34.camel@oakraider> <1214418520.7007.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1214427702.8023.63.camel@oakraider> Message-ID: <1214584377.4432.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 14:01 -0700, Bob Dundon wrote: > > Hope this is of some help Laurent. > > Bob Bob, thanks again. :) I must now take the time to read the links you gave me (cambrigeincolour and jcornuz). These are two great sources of informations for newcomers like me. -- Laurent Meunier From rob_k at arcor.de Sat Jun 28 21:43:14 2008 From: rob_k at arcor.de (Robert Kozlowski) Date: Sat Jun 28 21:34:53 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Changing the Language In-Reply-To: <4863BB3E.1040301@kvistmail.dk> References: <4847DF91.6040201@arcor.de> <4863BB3E.1040301@kvistmail.dk> Message-ID: <48669452.5080602@arcor.de> Hello Anders! Unfortunately your tip doesn't work for me. After downloading the translation pack should I place it somewhere in home directory or somewhere else? Thanks for your response. PS: It's a great great software :D Keep on going Anders Kvist schrieb: > Hi Robert > > Sorry for the long response time. > > try starting rawstudio from a terminal like this: > > $ LC_ALL=da_DK.UTF8 rawstudio > > Except, replace da_DK with the locale you wanna use and have installed. > > > /Anders > > > > Robert Kozlowski wrote: >> Hello! >> >> I downloaded the language pack but don't know whad to do now :S >> >> Could anybody tell me how to change it? >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Robert >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rawstudio-users mailing list >> Rawstudio-users@rawstudio.org >> http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Rawstudio-users mailing list > Rawstudio-users@rawstudio.org > http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-users > From anders at kvistmail.dk Sat Jun 28 23:20:19 2008 From: anders at kvistmail.dk (Anders Kvist) Date: Sat Jun 28 23:12:02 2008 Subject: [Rawstudio-users] Changing the Language In-Reply-To: <48669452.5080602@arcor.de> References: <4847DF91.6040201@arcor.de> <4863BB3E.1040301@kvistmail.dk> <48669452.5080602@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4866AB13.6090001@kvistmail.dk> Robert Kozlowski wrote: > Hello Anders! > > Unfortunately your tip doesn't work for me. After downloading the > translation pack should I place it somewhere in home directory or > somewhere else? What translation pack? The .po file from the translation page? That's only a file for helping to translate rawstudio :) When installing rawstudio from a package on any distribution or compiling it from source yourself, you automaticly get the translations... If you use Ubuntu (i don't know about .rpm based distros), you will have to install language support for the language you'd like to use and then start rawstudio like i said in the last mail. > Thanks for your response. > > PS: It's a great great software :D Keep on going Thanks, we will :) /Anders Kvist > Anders Kvist schrieb: >> Hi Robert >> >> Sorry for the long response time. >> >> try starting rawstudio from a terminal like this: >> >> $ LC_ALL=da_DK.UTF8 rawstudio >> >> Except, replace da_DK with the locale you wanna use and have installed. >> >> >> /Anders >> >> >> >> Robert Kozlowski wrote: >>> Hello! >>> >>> I downloaded the language pack but don't know whad to do now :S >>> >>> Could anybody tell me how to change it? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rawstudio-users mailing list >>> Rawstudio-users@rawstudio.org >>> http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rawstudio-users mailing list >> Rawstudio-users@rawstudio.org >> http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rawstudio-users mailing list > Rawstudio-users@rawstudio.org > http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-users